MTP 31: Jhon Figueroa Part 1, From Refugee to Professor, on Failing, Fatherhood, and Faith-Infused Chemistry

In this episode of Meet the Prof we sit down with Dr. Jhon Figueroa, professor of chemistry, Safety Coordinator and Undergraduate Lab Manager at the University of South Florida. Dr. Figueroa shares his incredible journey from arriving in the U.S. as a refugee, becoming a chemistry professor, learning to make chemistry relatable, and how becoming a father deepened his understanding of God’s love. Jhon’s story is full of lessons on perseverance, faith, and the power of gratitude.

Email Jhon: jhonfigueroa@usf.edu

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Here are the main takeaways:

1. Perseverance Through Adversity: Jhon’s journey from a refugee with no English proficiency to a PhD holder and chemistry professor demonstrates incredible resilience. He shares how structured discipline and a commitment to learning helped him overcome the barriers in his path.

2. Connecting Science and Faith: Jhon sees the complexity and design in chemistry, particularly in biochemistry, as evidence of God’s existence. He passionately explains how scientific discoveries reinforce his belief in intelligent design.

3. Impact of Fatherhood on Faith: Becoming a father transformed how Jhon understands God's love. His experience watching his child’s first vaccine injection deepened his empathy for God’s sacrifice of Jesus, offering a fresh lens through which he views scripture and faith.

4. Importance of Context in Teaching and Faith: Jhon emphasizes that just as he relates chemistry to students’ real-life experiences, sharing the gospel should begin by showing love and care for others. Context and personal connection are essential both in education and evangelism.

5. Gratitude as a Catalyst for Faith: Jhon’s turning point toward Christianity came when he realized he wasn’t thankful for life’s blessings. Hearing a preacher express gratitude for simple things led him to seek God and reevaluate his faith.

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Transcript

Shane (00:00)

Well, Jhon, I am so excited to get to interview you. one of the reasons is because, well, one reason is because you're a Florida guy. So I just love Florida. The second reason is when I met you for the first time, we were at a conference for college students. It was put on by one of my best friends, John Schneider with Cru. And it was a Cru fall retreat, about an hour outside Tampa, off in the country, beautiful lake.

And you and a handful of other Christian professors came just to encourage the students. You spoke on a panel one night. And so I wanted to ask you about your impression of the students there, because I was thinking maybe you probably surprised some people. To me at least, you strike me as a disciplined professor, teacher type. But you came with your wife, your beautiful son. It seems like he's less than a year at that point, year old. Is he really?

Jhon J Figueroa (00:53)

Yeah, he's 17 months right now.

Shane (00:56)

He's beautiful. So I was wondering what that retreat was like for you. What was your impression of those college students? There was like over a hundred of

Jhon J Figueroa (01:03)

No, I mean, normally classes that I teach is more than 200. So it's normal to be around them and be able to speak and mentoring. I've been mentoring my students for many, many years. So these type of conversations are very natural to engage with. So, and my wife, she's fully supportive here. She, we actually help with the youth ministry. So we are involved in it. She knows the importance of actually

Shane (01:21)

Hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (01:32)

reaching out to that specific niche of people, right? They're our future. And if we don't want to go in the direction of the book of Judges mentioned about when Joshua passed away, and it said the next generation, when everybody dies, next generation didn't know God. And that's something that always is in my heart. It's happening in my generation. It's not happening in my generation.

Spence Hackney (02:00)

Love it.

Shane (02:00)

I knew your wife have a ministry together. That's great you have a passion for college students together.

Spence Hackney (02:05)

Yeah. Are you normally teaching undergrad classes or grad classes? Who's your student?

Jhon J Figueroa (02:09)

Yeah, my role has been changing over the years and I used to teach, hopefully maybe in the spring they open it again, but I have a class that I developed for safety in the chemistry lab. part of my duties as a safety coordinator is keep teaching that portion. So it was one portion for the PhD students and one for undergrads. But my normal duties is Gen Chem 1 and 2, which I'm going to be teaching again in the fall.

Spence Hackney (02:35)

Mm -hmm. got you

Shane (02:36)

What kind of a teacher are you? Are you very hard? Do students think you're difficult teacher and grader?

Jhon J Figueroa (02:42)

No, I don't think so. My approach is I wanted people to actually love chemistry. in my kindly, you know, my kindness in regards to accepting people different opinions about chemistry, when they arrive to the classes, they normally hate it. I know that I'm not going to have nothing against that, but I am the type of person that trying to change that mentality.

My idea is I want to show you the chemistry in a different lens that you will love. And then at least if you're not going to become a chemist, at least you're going to appreciate chemistry from this day on. And that normally happens.

Spence Hackney (03:22)

Yep, yep.

Shane (03:22)

make sense? A good success.

Spence Hackney (03:25)

All right, so what is the secret? Like what's the secret sauce for getting somebody who hates chemistry to love chemistry? How do you boil it down?

Jhon J Figueroa (03:33)

being able to relate it. I context is everything. If I just come to you and I start talking about, let's see, osmotic pressure, and then I put a formula in there, and you get like, what the heck? don't want to even pay attention to this. But if I start telling you that our cells in the body, you know, they have this osmotic pressure too. And then when you go to the hospital, I say, what's the concentration of normal saline that you put here? 0 .4, 0 .9. Then we start talking about related things.

And the majority of them are the medical field. So I always try to bring that first. I bring that first. What is out there? What they see? What they know? Intermolecular forces. They say, when you go to a restaurant and then it's a dry glass, and then they put you cold water, immediately you have water outside. What happened in there? Is it broken? What is it? Then we have the discussion, right? And then we start with the chemistry behind. But I always, and I put...

quotes at the very beginning, one quote, we talk about whatever the quote says about it, it's normally encouragement, right? So that you can do it, you know, you're able, things like that from presidents or famous quotes that we discussed two minutes, and then we enter into our topics.

Spence Hackney (04:36)

Yeah.

Yeah. You know, it strikes me as that's sort of the same struggle we have in sharing the gospel sometimes is that we start sharing fact and we start, you know, sharing the argument and that sort of thing. And we never take the time to say, you know, how does this play out in your situation?

Shane (04:49)

I know the whole game.

Jhon J Figueroa (05:02)

Yeah, it is true. I cannot talk about the love of Jesus for somebody if I don't show love to that person, right? If I don't ask, how you doing? How's your family doing? know, are you okay? Are you eating okay? Because we have issues with the students sometimes they don't have, especially internationals, they lack that support that they need for that. And then this is my, you know, showing Jesus loves you by me showing love here.

Spence Hackney (05:12)

Right.

Mm -hmm.

Yeah.

Jhon J Figueroa (05:32)

Context matters. So I always always have this context in between all the conversations. So I will be

Spence Hackney (05:39)

context matters. Wait, wait, let me ruin our context here because I want students to know the real you. So we need to hear the most embarrassing moment that you had as an undergrad. Like there's something out there we need to hear about.

Jhon J Figueroa (05:53)

I mean, when I was an undergrad, was very hard for me calculus and I had to do quantum mechanics. I'm not a genius, but I'm a person that is devoted to achieve. I can repeat taskings until I learn it well. So I have to spend many, many, many more hours than many other people to learn a topic, especially that deep math. So I remember that we have a test and then we decide to stay in school.

Spence Hackney (06:18)

Hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (06:22)

back in Columbia studying and we actually stay in the room and we fall asleep. We fell asleep in there and then we were in the room. We moved the chairs and everything and the teacher came in the morning to give us a test and we were still on the floor. It was embarrassing. But I mean, no, we were like, we were like, actually we were seven or eight study, but only three slept that day in that room. And we were

Spence Hackney (06:29)

Okay.

Shane (06:42)

But you weren't alone. There was more than one student who fell asleep.

I love it.

Jhon J Figueroa (06:51)

not well presented and we have to run and trying to do the best to come back and take the test.

Shane (06:57)

Our listeners will recognize this story, some of them, heard our interview with Rob Niewoehner he fell asleep. He was alone though. He fell asleep in the classroom next to the one he was supposed to be in.

Spence Hackney (07:00)

I know.

So apparently a lot of great minds and smart people sleep in their classrooms is what I'm taking away from this. Yeah. And so you went to...

Shane (07:12)

Yeah, that's what this means.

Jhon J Figueroa (07:14)

Like the power of the room, I don't know, coming to you and give you some type of knowledge. don't know. That was our hope.

Spence Hackney (07:18)

I love it. Yeah. And so you went to undergrad in Columbia and then you came to the US for grad school. Is that right? Okay.

Jhon J Figueroa (07:23)

Yes. Yes, I actually came as a refugee, which is a different story. I finished. I have an undergrad degree on education on biochemistry. And then I went to a public university to do pure and applied chemistry. And then I finished some upper level grad studies in pathology. And then I move in here for, you know,

was a refugee, ideally to actually do a PhD, but I didn't have English. I was not ready for that. So it took me nine years between arriving to get into school because I barely speak English when I came here. It was complicated. It was a hard transition. And I started driving cars and Avis rental car at the airport, working 12, 15 hours per day to make it work.

Shane (07:59)

Yeah.

Spence Hackney (08:05)

Hmm.

Shane (08:06)

You had to learn the language before the PhD work.

You are a hard worker then to, can see you having to stick at it to do that. Not only get the language down enough to live in the community, but to excel and get a PhD. It's really impressive.

Jhon J Figueroa (08:34)

Yeah, it was complicated to the test that you're eating to twice because I failed English the first time. So it took me another year and a half to study a little bit more of English before I pass the test. I mean that portion because everything else I pass it.

Shane (08:48)

How was that for you when you went through the failing process? Because I think a lot of college students would probably be surprised to know a professor has failed anything in school.

Spence Hackney (08:49)

Hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (08:58)

Failing is part of life and I already embraced that I was born in a very poor family in a poor location where many few very very few people get out, right? So failing is it was part of my daily life. So it was not something new but Overcoming was the part that always put me apart from people right? I am NOT gonna stop I'm gonna continue doing until I get something out of it. So

Shane (09:10)

Hmm.

Hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (09:28)

That was my motivation. was I cannot just fail. I did not come here to drive cars. I have my profession and I love it and I'm to do it. So I'm going to keep studying. And I myself, I didn't say I'm going to took it in two months because it was unrealistic. And I said, I'm going to take the test after a year. I'm going to study every day. And I put a schedule myself after work, one hour study. I put like a real schedule and I follow the schedule.

Spence Hackney (09:35)

Hmm.

Shane (09:38)

Hmm.

Spence Hackney (09:55)

Mm -hmm

Jhon J Figueroa (09:56)

It was not randomly studying. Now it was actually Monday through Friday. These times are for studying and then weekends also.

Shane (10:01)

Yeah, very disciplined. Would you say you're diff - Go ahead.

Spence Hackney (10:02)

Yeah.

You know what else I love? I love about the picture of your life is that so many students go through and say, I've got this planned out at 22. This is going to happen at 25. I'm going to get married. I'm going to have this job. I'm going to whatever. And you're, you know, you're 10 years late, maybe to some regard, but it's God's perfect timing for you right now. Just, you know, you having a young, young kid and, and in school. And, I think about my own son. I'm like,

You know, God's timing is what's important, not the timing that's in your head for the most part. I love, love that example.

Shane (10:38)

Hmm. Hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (10:40)

But I have the same, I actually lost it when I moved to here. I lost everything that I have at home, but I have it in writing also. By this age, I want to be achieving this and that. And a PhD was one of my keys. By 27, I was supposed to be graduating from my PhD, but I was late almost a year. But I never stopped it, so it was good.

Spence Hackney (11:00)

Mm -hmm.

Shane (11:03)

Yeah, you accomplished it.

Spence Hackney (11:05)

You are perfectly on God's time though. That's what I think. All that eight years made you the man you are right now, which apparently is a pretty good man because the students like you and you're doing effective work for the Lord. so definitely not wasted.

Jhon J Figueroa (11:08)

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I feel blessed being here though.

Shane (11:24)

Jhon, did your difficult upbringing have anything to do with you coming to faith in Christ? And what was your faith like as you grew up and got into college yourself?

Jhon J Figueroa (11:33)

No, I mean, I grew up in a Catholic environment. My family, Catholic, and my neighbor, was a Jehovah's Witness, I went with them for many years because they give us free food. And I remember

Shane (11:47)

Mm -hmm.

Spence Hackney (11:47)

Mm

Shane (11:54)

Really?

Jhon J Figueroa (11:55)

That was my drawing. then, as I said, we were poor, right? So there was not many resources. So when they invited me to I said, yeah, sure. Then I eat breakfast like three times because I change my shirt. And then I put another one on top so I can go in the line again and eat again. And then I put a hat, you know, I use all the tricks to go there. But I always pay attention to things when people like music or people talk, I always listen what they say, always listen. And then if

Shane (12:01)

Mm.

Again.

Jhon J Figueroa (12:24)

has something good for me, I will be drawn to it. So even I was going there because of the food, I always was listening to what they said. Also my grandma, she used to take me to, this is very nice church back in Columbia that all Catholics go there to pay some type of penitence or something. I don't know what the word they use, but they go there and then they, sometimes even they kneel.

Spence Hackney (12:45)

Mmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (12:50)

and go and walk like a mile on their knees and then they bleed and all this. And I was with my grandma, I was very young and I started looking at it and I was in shock seeing them bleeding and said, what are they doing this? And they said, no, they are paying for repentance. And I said, that's the way it works? I don't think I'm going to do it. And I was very young. And then my grandma used to go and then they touch the statues and kiss them and pray. And I was like,

Spence Hackney (13:07)

Mm. Mm.

Jhon J Figueroa (13:18)

in awe since I was why they do that and I even myself knocking and see what the material was. It was fun in that sense. I always go and get you know a few things that I can come in with my friends and you know but when I was 23 my mom this is a nice story my mom always invited me she she became Christian at one point in her life I don't know when but she started inviting me to her church and I said mama next Sunday and she said okay.

And then next Sunday, of course, I was sleeping and she come, are you going to come with me? And I was super sleepy and say, no, mama next week. And it was constantly, but she never stopped. She always kind of said, do you want to come? And I said, no. Then one day it was a F1 formula race. You I love those races. So it was early in the morning, she invited me and said, no, I'm to watch something on TV today. And she didn't complain. She's just like, then I went, woke up, turned the TV and it was a remote control and I turned it on and then went to a couch.

you know, cover myself and wait because he's supposed to be a 630 and I turn it on 630. And he was not, he was a preacher. Somebody was preaching and I put the remote control far away from me. So I just put it in there and then, man, now I have to listen to this guy. I can't believe it. And I was lazy enough not to grab it and change it. Right. So he was talking and then he said, no, it's a new song from I don't, Arturo Gonzalez. I don't remember the name clearly.

Shane (14:32)

you don't want to get up.

Jhon J Figueroa (14:45)

When the song starts and the song is thank you God, it's called thank God. And then he starts saying thank you God for the food, for the trees, for the sky, for the stars, for the friends, for family. And I was in shock to hear somebody saying to a God that I don't know, thank you for the food, thank you for your friends, for your family. And I was not being thankful. If that is true, why am I not thankful? It was just that day changed completely my view.

So since that day on, I started seeking God myself. Like I was, I was asking questions, asking my mom. I went to my mom next Sunday and I started listening and you know, digging, digging, digging, reading the Bible. took me years. I mean, I'm still doing it, but at the end of the year, I read John. And when I read John and I saw that God, Jesus was, is being always there since the beginning of creation of the universe.

I couldn't believe it. I say, what life I've been living that I didn't know. I thought that Jesus was a little Jesus. We call little Jesus in Columbia, right? You get gifts from little Jesus on the 24th. So I thought that he was born the 24th and grew up like a man, but nothing before. When I discovered that myself, once again, I threw everything that I knew about religion.

away and I said, this is, I'm not going to believe in anything that people told me before. I'm to go myself and seek him because now I was something new. And every time that I started reading the Bible, I get something new. And it was like, why nobody told me this before? Why? And I went to church like I was 23 and I'd been going to church since I was a baby because they take me and I didn't know those things. And I felt, I don't know, like betrayed or it's like when you go to a school and you don't learn anything in school.

It's like wasting your money, your time that I feel now. And the seeking still remains.

Shane (16:46)

I have never heard anyone who shared that seeing Christians be thankful, hearing Christians be thankful is what helped lead them to Jesus themselves. What was it about hearing them being thankful that caused you to really start seeking Jesus yourself?

Jhon J Figueroa (17:03)

Because for me, as I mentioned before, coming from a poor family, we always have help from my grandmother was in the United States or family members that give us things. And I was very grateful because sometimes means a gift for me when I was younger, or sometimes it means maybe I can buy something because my uncle come and give me money to buy something that my dad couldn't give me. So I always was very thankful. And I want to express always my

Thankfulness to people I always say thank you so much and I will do something for them but when I hear this song that Somebody's doing something for me that I didn't know and I was not thankful that was shocking That that was the reasoning behind in my mind I say no, no, no, I need to figure it out. This is true. I need to be thankful, too. So

Spence Hackney (17:34)

Mm

Shane (17:53)

That's amazing. Yeah, thanks for sharing that.

Spence Hackney (17:56)

great start. What other turning points have you seen in your spiritual journey since that point? What are the milestones in your life?

Jhon J Figueroa (18:02)

I mean.

I will tell you, there's so many points in which I always discover. I mean, I read the Bible like top to bottom, right? All the way. And I've been doing it for years and I come back and every time I find something, something new, something that opened my eyes, like right now with my son to make it short, I've been teaching, mentoring all the things that you imagine through the years, supporting the ministries and all this. But when I have my son and I was...

he got his first vaccine. I was with him. He got his first vaccine and injecting his leg and he cries about and I saw this lady with the needle and she did that to my son and I honestly something like fire came through me and I want to choke the nurse. Of course I didn't knew it. I mean, I mean was but I seen that person doing something to my son. It's just

Shane (18:56)

She was hurting your son.

Jhon J Figueroa (19:04)

I don't know, put something in me that was not there and then I just, you know, tried to calm down and calm down the baby. But I was going out to my house and then I thought about how God felt when he saw his son being crucified. And it was completely different meaning. Like I cry, I don't know, all my way home just thinking about his pain because my pain, which is a little, you know, poke on his leg.

Spence Hackney (19:19)

Ooh.

Hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (19:32)

And he was OK after 10 seconds, but I was not OK. And I can imagine how that happens. And since then, everything that I see, I see it through the lenses of being a father. Before I was not a father, I've been a father 17 months ago, not before. Now everything is through that lens and it's completely new. Love, all the expressions of love. When I was reading the Bible, it says, God forgives the sins of people. And say, what? Why?

Spence Hackney (19:35)

Mm -hmm.

Hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (20:01)

They so bad, they should be killed. They should not be forgiven. And I was in my heart saying, no, no, no. I didn't understand the part of God. He says, God is love. But he said, well, I don't know. That's weird. But now that I have my son, I understand that. And it's amazing. To me, it's amazing how completely changed. And I understand many things that I didn't understand before, like how he said that he loved us first. And I was thinking, how can somebody love me first? They don't know me. Why is that? Why somebody's going to love me like that?

Spence Hackney (20:01)

Mm -hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (20:30)

I don't know. It was weird. But now my son, I love him before I even met him. As soon as I know that I'm to be a father, I started loving him. And now, as I said, everything changed. And every time that I read the Bible now, again, everything is through those lenses. It's like a huge new thing. I didn't know that this kind of love existed and I was deprived of it for many years, for 50 years. And now I have it. I mean,

Spence Hackney (20:30)

Mm

Mm -hmm.

Mm

Mm -hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (20:59)

I don't know, it's just amazing and I've been enjoying it. And as I said, everything is new now, everything that happens is new. When I read, when I teach, when I mentor, it's a different perspective. And not to diminish somebody that do not have kids because I was like that for 49 years. I'm sorry, not 50. But now I see things differently. So once again, context matter. So if I'm to talk about the prodigal son now, context matter to me right now.

Spence Hackney (21:10)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jhon J Figueroa (21:28)

I will forgive my son.

Spence Hackney (21:30)

Yeah, yeah. What a beautiful picture. Hey, I'm sending my 20 year old to college today, but we're moving him out. You we cleaned out his room, knowing he's not coming back. And I was just this morning, how much I love the boy. I'm grateful I am for him. You know, I had the same thought you did about God thought the same way about Jesus too. How much I love this boy. I watched him grow up, you know. And so, and here he is, I'm sending him out and I'm just sending him.

two hours away, you know, like he's, and, and, God had to be separated from that son and what pain that can cause. so, so grateful. We truly have a good God. And, I love how you're learning. Like, I love how you're a 49 year old fellow and you're still learning about your identity, you know, in Christ. And I think that's where we never stop learning that I love you

Jhon J Figueroa (22:07)

Yeah, absolutely.

Spence Hackney (22:28)

being open about it. Thank you for sharing that with us.

Jhon J Figueroa (22:31)

Thank you for asking.

Shane (22:32)

One of my takeaways so far from this, Jhon, is just how much we can learn from the context we're in. just what a powerful story there too, of it not being until you're a father yourself that you could really understand more of the love of the Father for us, that he would give Jesus, because his love for Jesus, and he was willing to sacrifice him. So I have a question that comes from this too, because I'm picturing you as a

Jhon J Figueroa (22:40)

Okay.

Spence Hackney (22:46)

Yeah.

Shane (23:02)

chemistry professor then. So in the context of chemistry, what have you learned and seen that shows you something about God, that caused you to worship God, and are you able to pass any of that on to your students?

Spence Hackney (23:13)

Hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (23:19)

I don't know, to me, this is straightforward. I always liked science since when I was young. I always wanted to see how things work and I used to open radios and old TVs and trying to put it together. Sometimes they didn't work, but I'm doing my best always since I was very young. So when I decided to go in chemistry route is to understand how things work. And it was my, my drawing was I want to know why this is happening, why this is reacting, why is this color, you know, all the things.

Shane (23:30)

Really?

Spence Hackney (23:46)

Yeah.

Jhon J Figueroa (23:47)

And now through the lenses of chemistry, I was more into it. But when I start getting interested in God and I start seeing, I start seeing like, this is not random. This could not be random. This is a engineering design. An engineer, think about that. And when I see, I mean, my first degree was biochemistry. When you see all this complex.

Spence Hackney (24:04)

Mm -hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (24:11)

reactions and this is that's why I call biochemistry the biology and the chemistry getting together getting reactions like enzymes like moving one atom out of it a complex molecule and do something amazing. And they think that that is randomly created. It makes no sense. It is more difficult to believe that was randomly created than actually by design. It is difficult to create that. I mean, to believe that that is in that way. Let's see, for instance,

Spence Hackney (24:29)

Hmm.

Mm -hmm.

Jhon J Figueroa (24:41)

the transportation of oxygen is something as simple. You do this all the time. You don't know that the hemoglobin is a complex molecule, is so huge and mixed with things. And inside this four atoms of iron and the iron get attached to the oxygen attached to the iron. And then it goes around your body and then release the oxygen by changing the concentration. It's a Le Chatelier principle. And it's like magic. And I always say it.

when you see them that way, but it's actually a creation, it's a design, somebody thought about it, somebody thinks this is the way it should be and it is. If you think about evolution, that trial and error, would never happen because everybody would die. So who are gonna try next if everybody dies? Because if you fail to deliver oxygen, it's done, done deal. You don't have the chance to recover. So.

That science brought to me many, many, again, it's like showing me what the book of Romans says about, hey, God is there. You can see it. The proof that he exists, it's just there. Just go and look at the sky. God is there. Look on the trees and the water, your body, and then you see is there. The proof is there.

Spence Hackney (25:53)

Yeah, yeah.

Jhon J Figueroa (26:01)

As an engineer, like the moon, if the moon moves a little bit farther or closer, we will be dead. If we are closer or farther from the sun, we'll be dead. If we didn't have, if we have more water than we have, we'll be dead. You know, it's just, you name it. It's so precise, so precise that cannot be random.

Spence Hackney (26:15)

Yeah.